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    It is my experience that Vets do everything in thier power to make you neuter your pet.

    When i had Cloe and i told him i was going to breed he did everything in his power to talk me out of it, but now i ahve to say he is fully supportive and helpfull, but for someone not as strong as me im sure would ahve given in to teh pressure.

    I understand you ahve to do your homework when breeding these dogs, as i did, but its worth it, i think vets put too much pressure on neutering, even if i wasnt going to breed i do not think i would neuter.

    My Max cannot be a father, but i will not neuter him, i think he is too sick and although anything that is wrong with him is not genetic i wont take teh risk, adn every season Cloes has, wee Max goes off on a holiday for 2 weeks. he loves it he goes and spends time with Cloe's best fiend and daughter also!

    When my friend got his bitch Cavallier neutered she got fat lazy and stopped playing, adn now she has a heart problem and is a dull dog compared to mine, he feels angry as he puts this down to the neutering
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    I got my female neutered at 6 months and never looked back. She did not change at all since she was done and her energy levels are just as much as I can take

    Yes, she has a bit of weight to loose but I dont think this is necessarily because she was neutered. She eats like a horse so i thinks she would have put on the weight anyway.

    I just dont think its very fair on her to have to confined while in heat when I don't ever intend to breed her. She has never had a heat and is very a happy little girl.

    I think vets try to discourage breeding because of the number of animals being put down because of overpopulation. My vet did the very same thing.
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    Hi, i dont confine my dog while she is in heat. i take precausions, i spray her before i go to take her for a walk with bitch spray and to date had no problems with other dogs.

    I thought they had to have one heat before neutering, so that they can mature. it was my understanding that when they had a heat for the first time it was like a girl coming into puberty adn becoming a young lady, and i thought if this was stopped it was bad for the dog, does anyone know?
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    No - females do not need to come into a heat before spayed. In fact, it is much healthier for the dog if you spay them before their first heat.

    Did you know that half of all the tumors in female dogs are preventable breast tumors? Dogs develop breast cancer because they were not spayed before their first or second heat period. Intact female dogs are highly prone to developing breast tumors. In fact, they are seven times more likely to get breast cancer than a spayed dog. One out of four intact female dogs over 4 years of age will probably develop one or more breast tumors along the mammary gland chains. Half of all tumors are malignant and unfortunately, half to 75% of them will kill the dog by recurrence or spreading (metastasizing) to the lungs within one to two years.
    more here: http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body...nine_spay.html

    An unspayed bitch is also at increased risk for pyometra - a very dangerous infection of the uterus which causes the uterus to fill up with pus and can quickly become systemic and kill the dog.


    "Pyometra" is the life-threatening infection of the uterus which generally occurs in middle-aged to older female dogs in the six weeks following heat. The hormone "progesterone," which primes the uterus for potential pregnancy, does so by causing proliferation of the blood-filled uterine lining and suppression of uterine immune function. It is thus easy during heat for bacteria in the vagina to ascend to the uterus to cause infection. The uterus with pyometra swells dramatically and is filled with pus, bacteria, dying tissue, and toxins. Without treatment, the pet is expected to die. Despite her serious medical state, she must be spayed quickly if her life is to be saved.

    THIS IS AN EXTREMELY COMMON DISEASE
    OF OLDER UNSPAYED FEMALE DOGS!

    PYOMETRA IS NOT SOMETHING WHICH "MIGHT" HAPPEN;
    CONSIDER THAT IT PROBABLY WILL HAPPEN.

    The older unspayed female dog has an irregular heat cycle. There is no end of cycling comparable to human menopause. If you still decide against spaying, be very familiar with the signs of pyometra. (These include loss of appetite, lethargy, vomiting, excessive thirst, marked vaginal discharge
    My mother's unspayed show Newfoundland got pyometra at 4 years old. Very scary and had to be rushed into emergency surgery.


    The health benefits of neutering a male young are not as drastic, but neutering definitely eliminates the risk of testicular cancer (no testicles left!) and can decrease the risk of prostatic problems (enlargement interfering w/ urination, etc.)

    The only behavior changes that are observed after neutering relate to behaviors influenced by male hormones. Playfulness, friendliness, and socialization with humans are not changed. The behaviors that change are far less desirable. The interest in roaming is eliminated in 90% of neutered dogs. Aggressive behavior against other male dogs is eliminated in 60% of neutered dogs. Urine marking is eliminated in 50% of neutered male dogs. Inappropriate mounting is eliminated in 70% of neutered dogs.
    ( http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_canine_neuter.html )


    Unneutered dogs are more likely to roam and since Cavs have no road sense at all - get hit by cars, lost, or stolen!! And I know that although my unneutered dog isn't aggressive toward other dogs, other male dogs tend to harass him more which aggravates him and can push him to act aggressively to get the other dog away.


    Basically, if you aren't going to breed your dog, then it is healthier and safer to spay and neuter. (if the health of the animal permits the surgery)

    Plus it decreases the risk of overpopulation from accidental breedings. There are lots of good reasons why vets enncourage neutering for the general population.
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    Thank you, that was really interesting, never knew any of that. would bitches who have pups be of such high risk of getting breast cancer too? do you know?

    they found a lump in my dogs throat and operated thismorning, im worried and ahve to wait 10 days for the results, im beside myself......
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    I think they are indeed at equal risk, a lot of the puppy farm bitches of all breeds that end up in rescue -- usually because they get to about 6, and don;t produce enough litters for the puppy farmers and are dumped or left at the pound and end up in rescue -- very often the females have ovarian tumours etc by this point. Maybe that contributes to them not having litters and therefore is why they get dumped in the first place.

    If you are very careful and protective of your own dogs, then there's an argument not to neuter. But for most pet owners, they won't be careful, and in Ireland, some 16,000+ dogs a year are put down at the pounds, and probably an additional 20,000 in between the greyhound industry (which will pts thousands each year), vets being asked to pts strays or unwanted but healthy pets, and people drowning litters and so on. There are so many unwanted puppies that the rescues run nonstop tryin to rehome. Spend a week working at the ISPCA or for a rescue like ASH up in Wicklow or PAWS and you are convinced very quickly that neutering is really the bet option for most pets. Especially males -- at Ashton pound about 75-80% of the dogs that come in are unneutered males, who obviously were roaming and picked up by wardens. They are the largest proportion pts as well as only about 10-30% of dogs in pounds are reclaimed or rehomed in Ireland.

    Unfortunately cavalier crosses are no easier to rehome than any other mixed breed -- as both TKC on this board and I know as we have worked together and separately to rehome a few!!

    Also I think a LOT of dogs get surrendered into the pound or brought to the vet to be pts because people haven;t neutered and therefore the dogs have undesireable behaviours like spraying or humping or fighting. People don;t realise neutering usually improves all these behaviours and also makes the animal generally more amenable, friendly and trainable.

    During World Animal Week last week on the Pat kenny show a couple of the vets on during the week said the big drops in dogs put down in pounds in Ireland over the past decade has *largely* come from people finally beginning to neuter their pets. That means far fewer unwanted litters and roaming strays. Here are the figures from the Dept of Environment (this is ONLY for pounds):

    2004 - 16,598
    2003 - 17,695
    2002 - 21,357
    2001 - 22,062
    2000 - 24,980
    1999 - 28,854
    1998 - 27,570

    Cavaliers have an almost 100% incidence of heart murmurs (MVD -- you can read more in the health FAQs) and this is not related to neutering -- almost all cavaliers will ultimately die from MVD and some get this very early if nreeders don;t breed for long-lived lines. Neutered dogs can get fat but only because their metabolism often drops about 20% so you ened to cut back a bit on food and keep up the exercise for dogs that are prone to utting on weight. My two boys were neutered at about 10 months and a year plus later, they are active, sleek and their coats are in excellent form. And they don't mark any more!
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    Yes - unspayed bitches are at risk of developing mammary cancer whether they have litters or not. And unfortunately, if you don't spay until after their 3rd heat, there is no decrease in the risk. But you do decrease the risk of pyometra which is really scary and life threatening.

    Last year I found this pair of 2 unneutered male Great Pyranees running around my neighborhood. I managed to catch one and took it back to it's home (pretty far away!) and the owner was so rude and grumbling about how I should have just let them go and get picked up by animal control because that's where he was going to take them anyway if they got out again. And I said, "Are they neutered?" And he said, "no, not yet" and I told him that he should probably do that before giving up on them adn turning them into animal control because neutering greatly reduces their desire to roam. That the boys were probably just out looking for a lady! He grumble grumbled and shut the door on me. Ugh! I was so annoyed!! He didn't even thank me for catching his dog and driving over to his house in my pajamas to return him!!!
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    I have 4 spayed females who are all full of energy, play and shiny healthy coats. Spayed pets only become overweight if they are allowed to overeat and are kept inactive.
    Breeding is the only reason I can see to keep an intact pet and that would be after lots of testing, and research into the pups background. Only the best of the breed should be bred. Cavaliers have so many problems at present. It is good that some breeders are working to eliminate or decrease those problems.
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    thanks to everyone who posted here it has been very well written and is so helpful to me as i was confused to say the least about this subject, i will get my baby jasmine at 8 weeks old, at how many weeks is the best to have her sprayed???

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    After reading this i think there are alot of myths, that are mroe like urban legands then truth going around, and awareness needs to be spread, i have learnt so much from this site in such few days, its great.

    If i wasnt breeding i would certainly neuter now as well after reading this thread. after all at teh end of teh day we want our pets with us for as long as possible. so we want to do whatt is best for them adn without sites like this t help how do we know who to believe as with everything there are conflicting sides.

    My Max gets out of hospital today. sniff, im so upset he is suffering, but on pain relief im told. will see tonight.
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