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When our seventeen year old son was diagnosed with brainstem cancer we bought a cavalier puppy (from a reputable breeder) to be “therapeutic” for him and our family (had not had a dog in years and had fallen in love with the CKC breed). Around the time my son was declining, our Cavalier (Westley) was developing enough symptoms for me to conclude he must have SM. Our regular vet had just thought he had a back issue (as we brought him after he yelped and laid his back legs) and prescribed a short course of 50 mg gabepentin twice a day. But Westley (now barely 2) has increasingly been exhibiting all the classic SM symptoms (and seems in a lot of pain) so I made an appointment with a neuro-vet and get him in next week. While I wait for the appointment, I have been giving Westley about 100 mg twice a day of my sons gabepentin. A few months ago our son moved to Heaven. I am devastated. The grief is in a whole nother league, but I feel it ridiculous that we, of all people in the middle of losing our son to brain cancer, would have to land a Cavalier with SM (and I am traumatized seeing brain symptoms after what I saw). Sorry to unload all of that on you. Thank you for letting me vent. I was just giving our backstory. I will try to lead that into questions. Firstly, Is this a fatal sentence? Secondly, I am hoping the neurovet can be creative with med combinations (and spare me the expense of an MRI) and we can have relief- Do some of you see vast improvement where your CKC is no longer suffering so much? Finally, I fell in love with the cavalier breed (and how affectionate they are) but now I’m afraid to ever get one again- is SV a huge common problem?
 
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So sorry for what you are going through. The loss of your son is heart breaking. You would think and hope your beautiful cavalier would be bring you nothing but joy at this time . Our one year old cavalier was purchased to help me accept the horrendous death of my sister by a rare and aggressive cancer . And bless my cav s heart she did just that . But we too ate very worried about her future. She started to exhibit some strange behavior which we thought was onset of SM. We went to a neurologist for a consult . He advised that 50% of cavaliers have SM and 90% CM. Si there was s a good chance our baby has it . Her symptoms could also be behavior and allergy related . He advised not to do MRI for now and just treat symptoms as they arise. The only cure is surgery which is crazy expensive and not that successful . I wish their were an an active group that could somehow prevent the breeding of cav’s with any history of the disease . But I don’t think you will find a reputable breeder with good champion lines that will do an MRI on dogs who exhibit no symptoms before Breeding.
It is possible to have it and no symptoms show up ever or show up later in life . So basically it Is a crap shoot. so sad . Because it is an amazing wonderful breed.
 
So sorry for what you are going through. The loss of your son is heart breaking. You would think and hope your beautiful cavalier would be bring you nothing but joy at this time . Our one year old cavalier was purchased to help me accept the horrendous death of my sister by a rare and aggressive cancer . And bless my cav s heart she did just that . But we too ate very worried about her future. She started to exhibit some strange behavior which we thought was onset of SM. We went to a neurologist for a consult . He advised that 50% of cavaliers have SM and 90% CM. Si there was s a good chance our baby has it . Her symptoms could also be behavior and allergy related . He advised not to do MRI for now and just treat symptoms as they arise. The only cure is surgery which is crazy expensive and not that successful . I wish their were an an active group that could somehow prevent the breeding of cav’s with any history of the disease . But I don’t think you will find a reputable breeder with good champion lines that will do an MRI on dogs who exhibit no symptoms before Breeding.
It is possible to have it and no symptoms show up ever or show up later in life . So basically it Is a crap shoot. so sad . Because it is an amazing wonderful breed.
 
I am so sorry you have been through such a terrible health crisis and have suffered the loss of your beloved son. I cannot begin to imagine your pain. My deepest condolences to you and your family.

I am also so sorry you are facing what looks like an SM diagnosis with your cavalier. We have a lot of information here on the site and I'd also recommend checking the information on www.cavaliermatters.org which is very pet-owner friendly. Dr Clare Rusbridge, the leading researcher on this health issue for over two decades, also has a website full of information that will be helpful to your vet and to you. She also has a YouTube channel that explains the issue and treatment options.

I've had several cavaliers with varying degrees of CM/SM. Some only had very mild symptoms when elderly while my most affected dog was MRId solely for research at around 18 months with no symptoms and turned out he had CM/SM and developed symptoms when around 2.5. He was easily managed all his life til age 10 with meds and died from the other major breed health issue, mitral valve (heart) disease. Far more owners will lose dogs to MVD than CM/SM. In most cases, dogs can be managed on meds and it's best to have this done by a neurologist who can also work with your vet. Often CM/SM dogs need changes to meds over time and often need a mix of meds, too. Some dogs are good candidates or better candidates for surgery, which can halt progression in many cases but often dogs do still require meds. I know Dr Rusbridge generally advises that surgery is a good option for dogs that have early onset CM/SM or later onset that eventually cannot be managed adequately by meds. The surgery is generally quite safe for dogs. That said: there are dogs who cannot be well managed and who end up with quite severe CM/SM and it's kinder to let them go. But these are a small proportion of affected dogs overall -- in my experience of talking to many many owners and to neurologists around the world over the past 20+ years. Also: researchers now believe many CM/SM dogs develop symptoms but then stabilise at some point and don't see any progression after middle age. So it's hard to give any definitive answers or predictions as each case is unique.

Yes, a dog can be diagnosed based on symptoms and Dr Rusbridge has links on her website to a paper that suggests this as an option when an MRI isn't affordable or TBH, perhaps needed anyway. Unless someone is considering surgery, I personally don't think there's any need for an MRI as symptoms are fairly obvious and air scratching in particular is not seen with other diseases. And yes you can have vast improvement on the right meds. Dosage of gabapentin is based on weight and often needs to be given 3x rather than 2x (not always). Usually once you give it you should see improvement in symptoms within days or a couple of weeks (the trial period is usually 2-3 weeks). Your neurologist will be able to advise once you have your visit and adjust dosage and frequency as needed, and also there are other meds that can be added in or if gabapentin isn't very effective, pregabalin, a newer related medication, often does the job. Have you seen any improvement since you started the gabapentin?

As noted above over 50% of cavaliers are likely to eventually develop SM and almost all, probably 99%, have CM, the skull malformation that is believed to contribute to the development of SM. It's also identified in many other toy breeds with flatter or flat faces, as well as Staffordshire terriers. However, I have had a house full of cavaliers since around 2003 and of those only a few have needed meds for CM/SM and been symptomatic in any way. I currently have 4 cavaliers and a cross and none show any symptoms; they range from age 1 to 9. I would not be without a cavalier. It takes time though to find a testing breeder. A good breeder should share testing results on parents before puppy purchases and go through her or his choices in a breeding programme. There are several tests that should be done on parents, and these are outlined on Cavalier Matters. Unfortunately the clubs internationally (excepting Scandinavia and the Netherlands, and more recently Ireland) haven't shown much real interest in addressing the breed health issues nor have the national kennel clubs. There's a lot of denial and 'breeders know best'. Looking at annual puppy registrations through national kennel clubs, though, it's easy to see how many prominent breeders breed younger dogs (long before symptoms or tests might show problems) and don;t MRI or sometimes even properly heart test despite many of these things being subsidised through clubs. :(

So: yes, the condition is common in cavaliers and will often show on MRI even of asymptomatic dogs, but only a proportion are symptomatic and a smaller proportion, serious enough to need lots of meds or surgery and more rarely, end up being euthanised because the condition cannot be managed. There are dedicated breeders who are testing properly, and following breeding protocols, which basically mean doing MRIs on breeding dogs only after age 2.5 and breeding according to research recommendations. It can be very hard to find such breeders. I would very much differ on the point of breeding being a 'crap shoot' however: there are now literally years of research studies showing unscanned dogs bred to unscanned dogs especially at younger ages greatly increases the chances of CM/SM and of more severe cases in offspring, whereas scanned dogs with good grades bred under the recommended protocols end up with 25% or fewer affected and those tend to be less symptomatic. Many show breeders -- and almost no non-show breeders -- scan though and they still often produce the same old tired lies about how testing is unreliable and it doesn't matter and their own lines are unaffected (which they can't tell if they don't scan). There are effectively no unaffected lines (just as with heart disease). Sadly some of the lines now known to have been genetically less affected have disappeared over time due to breeders focusing on breeding from show-winning dogs (producing 'popular sire syndrome' genetic bottlenecks).

I'll add some links for you to follow. Please let us know how your appointment goes and ask all the questions you want. And of course you are very welcome to vent all you want, I hope it helps in some small way to just get some of these things down in writing. Wishing you all the best for your appointment and sending my heartfelt sympathy for all you have been through.
 
I am so sorry you have been through such a terrible health crisis and have suffered the loss of your beloved son. I cannot begin to imagine your pain. My deepest condolences to you and your family.

I am also so sorry you are facing what looks like an SM diagnosis with your cavalier. We have a lot of information here on the site and I'd also recommend checking the information on www.cavaliermatters.org which is very pet-owner friendly. Dr Clare Rusbridge, the leading researcher on this health issue for over two decades, also has a website full of information that will be helpful to your vet and to you. She also has a YouTube channel that explains the issue and treatment options.

I've had several cavaliers with varying degrees of CM/SM. Some only had very mild symptoms when elderly while my most affected dog was MRId solely for research at around 18 months with no symptoms and turned out he had CM/SM and developed symptoms when around 2.5. He was easily managed all his life til age 10 with meds and died from the other major breed health issue, mitral valve (heart) disease. Far more owners will lose dogs to MVD than CM/SM. In most cases, dogs can be managed on meds and it's best to have this done by a neurologist who can also work with your vet. Often CM/SM dogs need changes to meds over time and often need a mix of meds, too. Some dogs are good candidates or better candidates for surgery, which can halt progression in many cases but often dogs do still require meds. I know Dr Rusbridge generally advises that surgery is a good option for dogs that have early onset CM/SM or later onset that eventually cannot be managed adequately by meds. The surgery is generally quite safe for dogs. That said: there are dogs who cannot be well managed and who end up with quite severe CM/SM and it's kinder to let them go. But these are a small proportion of affected dogs overall -- in my experience of talking to many many owners and to neurologists around the world over the past 20+ years. Also: researchers now believe many CM/SM dogs develop symptoms but then stabilise at some point and don't see any progression after middle age. So it's hard to give any definitive answers or predictions as each case is unique.

Yes, a dog can be diagnosed based on symptoms and Dr Rusbridge has links on her website to a paper that suggests this as an option when an MRI isn't affordable or TBH, perhaps needed anyway. Unless someone is considering surgery, I personally don't think there's any need for an MRI as symptoms are fairly obvious and air scratching in particular is not seen with other diseases. And yes you can have vast improvement on the right meds. Dosage of gabapentin is based on weight and often needs to be given 3x rather than 2x (not always). Usually once you give it you should see improvement in symptoms within days or a couple of weeks (the trial period is usually 2-3 weeks). Your neurologist will be able to advise once you have your visit and adjust dosage and frequency as needed, and also there are other meds that can be added in or if gabapentin isn't very effective, pregabalin, a newer related medication, often does the job. Have you seen any improvement since you started the gabapentin?

As noted above over 50% of cavaliers are likely to eventually develop SM and almost all, probably 99%, have CM, the skull malformation that is believed to contribute to the development of SM. It's also identified in many other toy breeds with flatter or flat faces, as well as Staffordshire terriers. However, I have had a house full of cavaliers since around 2003 and of those only a few have needed meds for CM/SM and been symptomatic in any way. I currently have 4 cavaliers and a cross and none show any symptoms; they range from age 1 to 9. I would not be without a cavalier. It takes time though to find a testing breeder. A good breeder should share testing results on parents before puppy purchases and go through her or his choices in a breeding programme. There are several tests that should be done on parents, and these are outlined on Cavalier Matters. Unfortunately the clubs internationally (excepting Scandinavia and the Netherlands, and more recently Ireland) haven't shown much real interest in addressing the breed health issues nor have the national kennel clubs. There's a lot of denial and 'breeders know best'. Looking at annual puppy registrations through national kennel clubs, though, it's easy to see how many prominent breeders breed younger dogs (long before symptoms or tests might show problems) and don;t MRI or sometimes even properly heart test despite many of these things being subsidised through clubs. :(

So: yes, the condition is common in cavaliers and will often show on MRI even of asymptomatic dogs, but only a proportion are symptomatic and a smaller proportion, serious enough to need lots of meds or surgery and more rarely, end up being euthanised because the condition cannot be managed. There are dedicated breeders who are testing properly, and following breeding protocols, which basically mean doing MRIs on breeding dogs only after age 2.5 and breeding according to research recommendations. It can be very hard to find such breeders. I would very much differ on the point of breeding being a 'crap shoot' however: there are now literally years of research studies showing unscanned dogs bred to unscanned dogs especially at younger ages greatly increases the chances of CM/SM and of more severe cases in offspring, whereas scanned dogs with good grades bred under the recommended protocols end up with 25% or fewer affected and those tend to be less symptomatic. Many show breeders -- and almost no non-show breeders -- scan though and they still often produce the same old tired lies about how testing is unreliable and it doesn't matter and their own lines are unaffected (which they can't tell if they don't scan). There are effectively no unaffected lines (just as with heart disease). Sadly some of the lines now known to have been genetically less affected have disappeared over time due to breeders focusing on breeding from show-winning dogs (producing 'popular sire syndrome' genetic bottlenecks).

I'll add some links for you to follow. Please let us know how your appointment goes and ask all the questions you want. And of course you are very welcome to vent all you want, I hope it helps in some small way to just get some of these things down in writing. Wishing you all the best for your appointment and sending my heartfelt sympathy for all you have been through.
Thank you very much for your kind, thoughtful, thorough, helpful responses, and for even asking about him and offering further questions. The neuro-vet does believe our Westley has Syringomyelia. An MRI is $5k! I can't even imagine what the total would be with surgery if this is the price they ask for MRI in So. CA. I soo regret not getting insurance! I did not know how helpful it would be for a CKC. I can't do $15 to 20k for an unguaranteed surgery. The neuro vet prescribed the twice a day 100 mg Gabapentin as well as one a day 20 mg Omeprazole. He said just to buy the later over the counter- all I see is time release Prilosec 20 mg, is this what everybody uses (morning)? Some people seem to indicate the Omeprazole is questionable in its effects and should not be used long-term- If he is only two years old, is he going to be able to take it for many years? Or might I want to give him some breaks when he seems to be doing well? He seemed perkier soon after I started Omeprazole but the past few days has been exhibiting symptoms again, so I had hope and now feel defeated again. Hoping we still have time to see effects (it has been 10 days)? I am actually wondering about his ears too. He had some lower spinal issues, so all the symptoms added up to SM. But he exhibits a lot of ear symptoms: rubbing on carpet, contact scratching, head flapping, yawning. So I am trying to look into PSOM also. Of course, I understand one can’t tell only on symptoms and I still need to research derma-veterinarians, but my question is- can all these ear symptoms merely be from SM? In addition to all the ear symptoms he has: two significant episodes of lower back leg pain and weakness, occasional yelping upon picking up, some stopping while walking, eye squinting, scratching, etc. but he doesn't really have the no contact ear scratching or the tender head and neck issue (the n-vet did find a little tender spot but Westley doesn't act bothered with us touching) and so that is why I wonder if I could be seeing milder SM with PSOM exacerbating or just significant SM. I really hope he is one of those cases that isn’t severe and stabilizes and I really hope the meds still can work. He is the sweetest. I sure do love CKC- there is no pet like them!
 
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I wouldn't bother with an MRI unless you would be considering surgery. I think the time release omeprazole is what is generally prescribed but your neurologist should be able to confirm -- just ring the office and ask. They should guide you on the dosage and whether the OTC is fine. I
m originally from the US and you should be able to just use the generic form from somewhere like CostCo (if they sell it) or CVS or Walmart -- most places have the generic and it will be much cheaper. If you are seeing symptoms contact the neurologist and see if gabapentin should be increased to 3x. Most dogs (but not all) seem to need 3x. If gabapentin isn't helping then let them know and they can try pregabalin. If you refer your ordinary vet to Clare Rusbridge's website and treatment algorithm they should be able to do all this with you as well. Your vet can always check directly with the neurologist.

There's ongoing debate about pros and cons for omeprazole. Given concerns (in humans) are over a longish timeline of a decade or more, using it with a dog shouldn't really pose issues. You can use an alternative like cimetidine but it needs to be given more frequently. Not all neurologists use omeprazole but it may be that the one you visited feels there is value in at least trying it. The idea of omeprazole is that it may help prevent further syrinx development or slow it so you probably don't want to use it on and off but... I don't really know! Not my area of course, so can't give you treatment pros and cons except from my own experience and from talking to many of the experts many years back. I stopped using it with my most affected dog and it didn't seem to matter. He lived til 10 ish and died from heart disease.

Is the ear scratching contact scratching or air (non contact) scratching? Contact is usually more a sign of CM while air scratching is definitely SM. The rubbing etc can be CM/SM but also sounds to me like it could be PSOM especially given the yawning. Also: advanced PSOM can really mirror SM in symptoms but can often be effectively treated at much lower cost through a procedure where they put the dog under and wash out the gunk in the ear. It sometimes needs to be repeated once or twice. See: https://www.vetinfo.com/glue-ear-in-dogs.html. You could talk with your vet or neurologist and see if this is an option and a cheaper X-ray or CT scan could probably diagnose if it is severe enough to be causing symptoms. I do know of a few cases where PSOM was misdiagnosed as CM/SM. A bit more info: https://ackcscharitabletrust.org/canine-ear-disorders/. Keep in mind PSOM can be more a nuisance than anything else and I'd not do the surgery unless there was imaging that showed significant PSOM. BTW sometimes a vet can spot it simply by looking at the ear and seeing a bulging tympanum. One of mine has this but he has advanced heart disease so am not risking surgery on an old guy.

As you are also seeing spine pain and have had a neurology exam I'd say yes you are probably seeing some degree of CM/SM, if the neurologist thinks so, but perhaps also PSOM; did the neurologist say anything about that? Also did the neurologist suggest there may be disk disease causing the limb weakness? Usually hind leg weakness is not associated with CM/SM -- Clare Rusbridge notes this on her 'clinical signs' document.

You could read through this and give it to your vet as well. It contains a handy treatment algorithm that isn't an interactive one (I find the interactive one less clear for pet owners and vets); treatment has remained fairly standard. There's still no real evidence for using omeprazole, so it's kind of a case by case basis. https://bvajournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1136/inp.m1869 Also this video is helpful for vets and pet owners:

Cavalierhealth.org has very comprehensive information and a list by region in the US of neurologists in case you wanted to see someone else. But the person you have seen should know about switching around meds and so on. It's very hard to recommend what to do as surgery even if you wished to do it isn't necessarily any better an option than meds, it really depends on the individual dog and the preference of the owner. But for a very condensed summary here ;) -- I'd try the routine the neuro-vet prescribed for two weeks. If no real improvement to scratching etc I'd ask about increasing gabapentin to 3x. If no real improvement I'd ask about switching to pregabalin. Then at that point (or with gabapentin) there are many pain relievers that can be tried as per Clare Rusbridge's treatment algorithm. Note that they are somewhat different for CM and SM so you'd want the neuro-vet to have some idea of which to try.

Again I am sorry you are on this particular road with your beloved cavalier. And yes, insurance is very helpful in cases such as this -- I'd always recommend taking it out immediately with any puppy when possible, just because the breed can be prone to these expenses as well as almost always needing heart meds eventually in old age. It's always a gamble not to have it. We have so many dogs in our household (8 currently) that we don't take out insurance as things over many dogs tend to even out and actually cost less over a lifetime than insurance for so many dogs, but that's always taking the risk that one of the cavaliers or others could need very expensive surgery. At least, gabapentin and pregabalin are now available as generic meds so much cheaper than when I first had to buy it.
 
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