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Dog World Cavalier Breed Notes

I have just reread Norma's Breed Notes on her other List ,and noticed that she was quoting information from another Cavalier Breeder.

Maybe it should never have been quoted though ,it could be giving Folk who are MRI Scanning or about to be Scanning their Cavaliers worries.

Hopefully all this will be cleared up before any damage is done, and the requests for MRI Scans from Dr S Blott for her Research and EBV Information won't be being hindered in any way.
 
There has been mention by Norma Inglis in her new Breed Note Site about the use Contrast Agent for MRI Screening for SM In CKCS or any other Breed.

This maybe has given cause for concern to Cavalier Owners, I can't Cross- Post ,but any-one interested can read on the CT List, a Post from the CKCS CLUB Health Rep about this matter and informatiom from Dr C Rusbridge , Neurologist.

I do think that when information is passed on like what Norma did, great care has to be being taken, I know over the years when I have mentioned about Cavaliers with a Heart Problem and their Vaccinations ,I always made it clear that any Cavalier Owner who had a Cavalier with a Heart Condition ,always to discuss with their Vet as to whether their Cavalier should be being Vaccinated or not.

Perhaps Norma should also have made it clear that any Cavalier Owner who had had their Cavalier MRI Scanned or was thinking about it ,should have mentioned about the Contrast Agent to the Person doing the MRI Scan, and not to rely on information from the Internet.
 
Many people now rely on information from the internet Bet.
The question regarding the administration(or not) of Gadolinium to a cavalier during a mini Mri scan has been settled decisively,once and for all.
The breed notes have been amended to reflect the reality.
This has been verified by the CKCS health rep having consulted with Claire Rusbridge.No pharmaceutical product is injected into a cavalier's bloodstream during a mini mri scan.
It might be a good idea if the people who arrange the Mri scans for their respective clubs could publicise this fact on the club webpage to reassure owners that the scan is a non invasive procedure.
At the end of the day,there will be those who will never be comfortable with using medical technology to assist their breeding programme. It's unlikely however to put off the vast majority of people who have decided to scan their dogs. Maybe if Mark Marshall is around he can tell us if their is a good demand for the upcoming scanning trip to Chestergates??
Sins
 
How to create panic and spread uncertainty

sins said:
The question regarding the administration(or not) of Gadolinium to a cavalier during a mini Mri scan has been settled decisively,once and for all.
The breed notes have been amended to reflect the reality.
This has been verified by the CKCS health rep having consulted with Claire Rusbridge.No pharmaceutical product is injected into a cavalier's bloodstream during a mini mri scan.
It might be a good idea if the people who arrange the Mri scans for their respective clubs could publicise this fact on the club webpage to reassure owners that the scan is a non invasive procedure.
At the end of the day,there will be those who will never be comfortable with using medical technology to assist their breeding programme. It's unlikely however to put off the vast majority of people who have decided to scan their dogs.
Sins
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This artificially inflated scare about the use of Gadolinium has been a really good illustration how a small group of anti-scanning breeders will blow up a story with the intention of sabotaging efforts to help SM research.....

The first question about contrast agents in MRIs, as detailed in the 'new' breed notes was posted on CavalierChat at 1.24 pm on Monday.

Norma, the breed note writer is then told....

1:27 PM "No contrast agent is used. Clare Rusbridge was asked and confirmed this"

On Tuesday..........
03:56 PM "Will you be amending the breed notes before anyone else gets the wrong idea. There is too much mis-information out there already"

On Wednesday.......
7:07 AM "What is the problem with putting Maggies correction in now"
"What about the people who have scanned, will read this and be very worried about their dogs?"

On Thursday Dr Rusbridge's statement was eventually added to Norma's notes....

The Cavalier Club health representative, who has been the unfortunate dogsbody checking the facts with all the specialists, remarks........
"This has all cost a lot of time and effort (and worry to some). I hope that in the future people think a bit more before putting questionable data into the public domain and worrying people unneccessarily"

The writer of the breed notes, the very person who bears most of the responsibility for this false alarm, and for wasting the time of specialists and health representative, and for needlessly allowing frightening misinformation to remain for days, when she knew it was incorrect, replies very condescendingly...................

"As far as time and effort spent,I think clearing up the problem and allaying members fears are well worth it. I give my time and effort willingly and hope you do too
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Classic scenario, it happens time and time again with these dinosaurs. They do nothing constructive to help the breed, just try and sabotage other people's efforts.
Their arrogance when challenged is breath taking.

If you want to read the sorry story for yourself go to the cavalierChat forum.
 
Correct me if I am wrong but N. Inglis's post on CC at 0.528pm states:-

"That after ringing Chestergate to speak to Mr Skerritt and being told he was unavailable she spoke to a staff member who was able to answer
some of the queries she had. One being if a contrast agent was used i.e
Gadolinium in the screening of Cavaliers for SM. it appears as if this member of staff answered YES"

So can someone please tell is it used or not?


Nanette
 
Contrast Agent

No Gadiolium is not used in low cost SM Screening in any clinic

It is used for some other diseases, eg brain tumours, so maybe the question asked above was a lot more obtuse than suggested and the receptionist thought it was a general question about MRI. Seems to me that there is a deliberate attempt to mislead as it also does not state (as claimed) that gadiolinium is "often used" for SM screening in the FAQ Syringomyelia section of Dr Rusbridge's website. The reference to contrast is actually in section dedicated to MRI and the reference is with regard to brain tumours.
 
Nanette,

If you go back to CT again ,you will see that N Inglis had spoken with Mr Skerritt later in the day , and he had contradicted his Staff member ,Mr Skerritt has said that he does not use Contrast Agent for MRI Screening for SM .

I think Norma ,if she has had any of her Cavaliers MRI Scanned for SM, was the Contrast Agent used ,she must know the answer ,unless she has had none of Cavalier Breeding Stock MRI Scanned for SM.
 
Just had to comment again about the New Breed Notes on another Web Site, the Health Problems that are of such concern to Cavalier Pet Owners ,are conspicious by their absence ,will the reason be ,if they are not mentioned will they just be forgotten about !!

Or is it case of some Cavalier Breeders still wanting to bury their heads in the sand about them, and saying Health Problems in the Cavalier Breed ,WHAT HEALTH PROBLEMS.
 
Bet said:
Or is it case of some Cavalier Breeders still wanting to bury their heads in the sand about them, and saying Health Problems in the Cavalier Breed ,WHAT HEALTH PROBLEMS.
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I agree with you there Bet, but while some people continue to swell the heads of some of our Top Breeders and Breed note writers then there is little hope.

Nanette
 
Bet said:
Or is it case of some Cavalier Breeders still wanting to bury their heads in the sand about them, and saying Health Problems in the Cavalier Breed ,WHAT HEALTH PROBLEMS.
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I agree with you there Bet, but while some people continue to swell the heads of some of our Top Breeders and Breed note writers then there is little hope.

Nanette:swear:
 
Alternative breed notes

Dog World has the following notice in the Cavalier breed note section.......

"WE HOPE to be able to announce our new Cavalier breed note writers shortly. The breed has had a difficult year and has received a great deal of unwanted media attention. Our aim is to appoint two new writers who can accurately reflect the diverse range of opinions held by enthusiasts of the breed. So important do we consider this appointment that we have been talking to the Cavalier King Charles Spaniel Club about writers who can reflect the range of opinions that exist within this large and important breed"

I would guess it will be a long time before they get anyone.

The Cavalier Club has already approached a great many people, who have all refused. Those that are pro-health are not going to risk their show career by upsetting the top breeders, and those that are anti-scanning are not going to admit it publicly, whatever they are doing ( or rather, not doing ) in private.

I thought I would just tell those of you that are interested in the show world a little of what is going on.......

The cavalier show scene is in a bit of turmoil at the moment. A libellous post has been sent to an international cavalier list by someone who, it now appears, makes a habit of sending unpleasant emails in an attempt to influence judges.

Amazing how many people are coming forward who have received similar unpleasant communications from the same source.

To add to the damage, one of his very close friends seems to have accidently hit the wrong button :oops:and sent the same email again four days later. No chance then that anyone on that list missed it.
 
Margaret ,thanks for the information, .

To say I am shocked about the revelations by Dog World trying to fill the post of the Breed Columnist ,is putting mildly.

This is disgraceful.,has the Cavalier Breed got a Future, when even Pro Health Campaigners are scared to put their Head Above thr Parapet.

I do know what happened around 20 years ago ,when Dr B Cattanach ,Geneticist , and Bruce Field .the UK CKCS Health Representative ,walked away in disgust because of the attitude of a good number of Cavaalier Breeders when they were trying to help the Cavalier Breed with the MVD Problem.

It now looks as if things are not much different to-day.

I know I have had to stand a lot of abuse for daring to mention the MVD and SM Problems in our Cavalier Breed,.What is wrong with some of the Cavalier Breeders not wanting the Cavalier Breed's, Health problems being talked about.??

I hate to say this ,but could the reason be ,that the Cavalier Breeders will be having a drop in their Income because of less Cavalier Puppies being sold. When you think about it ,it's the Pet Owners who will be buying most of the Cavalier Puppies that are being Bred.!
 
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