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can you tell me what your 4 month old routine is?
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Yorkysue
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I agree Brian. I actually find this thread very very sad and depressing. How can anyone who professes to love dogs treat them in this way.
IT'S NOTHING SHORT OF IMPRISONMENT!!!!!!!!!
How would they like being locked up for hours on end???? or is it OK for a dog? I think not! and to make the excuse that the pup will wee in the kitchen if left alone (what kind of excuse is that!)
If you can't give lots of time to your puppy - find him a home where he will be given the love and freedom he deserves!
Stop being selfish.
tupup
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Im afraid i must agree with the above posts~having enough room to sprawl out on a queen size pillow is just not enough for a little puppy-imagine if you could only sit/lie in one spot for 8hours a day! You'd go crazy & IMHO a pup needs more stimulus than that.
He might wee on the kitchen floor? Maybe so,its not the end of the world! A puppy toilet training isnt for the houseproud!
He might wee on the kitchen floor? Maybe so,its not the end of the world! A puppy toilet training isnt for the houseproud!
pippa
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Sorry Indy but I would agree and I can't think for one minute why your vet would be encouraging you to keep your dog in a crate for 8 hours of the day?????
I work three days a week and I am out of the house for 6 and 1/2 hours for those three days. During this time my husband comes in for an hour and then also arrives home almost two hours before me. My son or daughter also can come in at an earlier time or be there for a while after I go. The longest they would be left would be four hours and they have the kitchen,hall stairs and landing to themselves, as they are older dogs,even though they usually seem to be in their beds when anyone comes in.
They have each other for company. Your puppy is being left for four hours,then has a visitor,then another four hours,in a crate,on his own and a queensize pillow with a cage round it is not enough room for him.
As I said get him an x-pen, and please find some doggy daycare where he can socialise and have some company at least a couple of days a week.
This may seem harsh,but with your lifestyle you really should have thought things through more before getting a puppy.
Your little guy does not deserve to spend all his days in a crate
I work three days a week and I am out of the house for 6 and 1/2 hours for those three days. During this time my husband comes in for an hour and then also arrives home almost two hours before me. My son or daughter also can come in at an earlier time or be there for a while after I go. The longest they would be left would be four hours and they have the kitchen,hall stairs and landing to themselves, as they are older dogs,even though they usually seem to be in their beds when anyone comes in.
They have each other for company. Your puppy is being left for four hours,then has a visitor,then another four hours,in a crate,on his own and a queensize pillow with a cage round it is not enough room for him.
As I said get him an x-pen, and please find some doggy daycare where he can socialise and have some company at least a couple of days a week.
This may seem harsh,but with your lifestyle you really should have thought things through more before getting a puppy.
Your little guy does not deserve to spend all his days in a crate
IndyTulip
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i am much more responsible than any of you.
i'm sorry if i have to work.
what am i supposed to do..wait until
I am 65?
ARE YOU FREAKIN' SERIOUS? 24/7?
PEOPLE AREN'T EVEN W/ THEIR KIDS 24/7.
QUOTE=Brian M;332775]Hi Indy
My vet would say if I had a regime like you that you shouldnt have a dog now ,come back when you can devote a lot more time to them .Sorry.! And i personally think if you are a responsible pet owner you should realy be with them 24/7.[/QUOTE]
i'm sorry if i have to work.
what am i supposed to do..wait until
I am 65?
ARE YOU FREAKIN' SERIOUS? 24/7?
PEOPLE AREN'T EVEN W/ THEIR KIDS 24/7.
QUOTE=Brian M;332775]Hi Indy
My vet would say if I had a regime like you that you shouldnt have a dog now ,come back when you can devote a lot more time to them .Sorry.! And i personally think if you are a responsible pet owner you should realy be with them 24/7.[/QUOTE]
IndyTulip
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any puppy book and trainer will tell you to put him in his crate every hour on the hour for an hour
to nap and go about your businesss for the first month or 2.
that adds up to about 8 hrs of nap time a day/night.
it isn't like that all the time...i get days off..my fiance will be moving in soon and working locally and he stays at my parents sometimes where he gets to run around the house and yard all day. he is only 4 months old...at 6 months he will have some puppy school.
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to nap and go about your businesss for the first month or 2.
that adds up to about 8 hrs of nap time a day/night.
it isn't like that all the time...i get days off..my fiance will be moving in soon and working locally and he stays at my parents sometimes where he gets to run around the house and yard all day. he is only 4 months old...at 6 months he will have some puppy school.
C
Sorry Indy but I would agree and I can't think for one minute why your vet would be encouraging you to keep your dog in a crate for 8 hours of the day?????
I work three days a week and I am out of the house for 6 and 1/2 hours for those three days. During this time my husband comes in for an hour and then also arrives home almost two hours before me. My son or daughter also can come in at an earlier time or be there for a while after I go. The longest they would be left would be four hours and they have the kitchen,hall stairs and landing to themselves, as they are older dogs,even though they usually seem to be in their beds when anyone comes in.
They have each other for company. Your puppy is being left for four hours,then has a visitor,then another four hours,in a crate,on his own and a queensize pillow with a cage round it is not enough room for him.
As I said get him an x-pen, and please find some doggy daycare where he can socialise and have some company at least a couple of days a week.
This may seem harsh,but with your lifestyle you really should have thought things through more before getting a puppy.
Your little guy does not deserve to spend all his days in a crate
IndyTulip
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he will wind up lying in his crate anyway after a while if i leave him alone
it is not a small crate
it is has about 2 feet in height. 24x21x21
it is not a small crate
it is has about 2 feet in height. 24x21x21
tara
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Indy,
I say the same thing I tell my children -- don't ask the question if you aren't prepared for the answer.
Bottom line here -- you have been told by several cavalier owners that we are concerned with the amount of time your puppy is spending alone in his crate. The evidence is very clear on this subject. Your use of the crate is extreme and not healthy for the physical, emotional, social or psychological well-being of your dog. Dogs are living creatures who depend on us for everything. Cavaliers are highly social dogs who literally can not spend enough time with their human loved ones.
Please consider what we are saying as concern for your dog. By raising your dog in this manner, you are depriving both him and yourself of the wonderful relationship cavaliers develop with their owners. It's a real shame, both for you and your dog.
I say the same thing I tell my children -- don't ask the question if you aren't prepared for the answer.
Bottom line here -- you have been told by several cavalier owners that we are concerned with the amount of time your puppy is spending alone in his crate. The evidence is very clear on this subject. Your use of the crate is extreme and not healthy for the physical, emotional, social or psychological well-being of your dog. Dogs are living creatures who depend on us for everything. Cavaliers are highly social dogs who literally can not spend enough time with their human loved ones.
Please consider what we are saying as concern for your dog. By raising your dog in this manner, you are depriving both him and yourself of the wonderful relationship cavaliers develop with their owners. It's a real shame, both for you and your dog.
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pippa
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I totally agree with Tara. Indy if you truly want what is best for your dog you will take on board the advice given. I am sure it is given in good faith by good people concerned about the welfare of your dog. Cavaliers are true lap dogs happiest when the can be with you. I think you really shoud have researched a bit more about the breed before you decided to own one.
In my opinion No dog should be left alone while the owner works an 8 hour day 5 days a week,especially a cavalier. Just my opinion of course but maybe instead of being so defensive of the advice you've been given, you could reassess the situation
Yorkysue
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24x21x21 is tiny for a dog to stay in during the Day! and I mean it. Also Your puppy is being deprived of any socialisation for long periods of time. He will be very lonely. Stop fooling yourself.
And as to training books telling you to cage pups for an hour at a time on the hours. What the H*** type of books are those! It sounds like incarceration - don't these people like dogs? or what?.
Yes I understand that crating puppies overnight to help housetrain them can work. BUT NOT DURING THE DAY AS WELL!
I have never had to resort to crating a pup to housetrain them! IMHO it's an excuse - and the odd accidents always right themselves when a puppy gets proper control of it's bladder and bowels! but I digress.
IndyTulip
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the very first day i got the puppy i spent the whole day playing and cuddling with him in my lap to make him feel at home.
Then I realized..I can't baby him or else he won't be okay on his own and will be weak and i'll never get anything done for myself.
For the first 3 weeks I was on a strict consistent routine and i was home all day w/ him to teach him to pee outside
take him out, if he pees, treat, then bring in and play for 20 minutes.
Then put him in the crate. Then an hour or 2 later, take him outside, let him pee..if he doesn't put him back in the crate for 15 minutes, then try again..
when he does go praise and treat, he gets more playtime and then back inthe crate again..he had to learn to like the crate and know it was his safe place.
this is crate training 101.
I did not want to use training pads...or newspaper..actually he tore up one pad. If he went in the house I'd yell no, and then grab him and place him outside. I did not want him to know that going indoors was okay.
I went out for an hour and left him in the kitchen for an hour yesterday...i think he is even more lonely being left in the kitchen after staring at the door he sniffed around and he wound up going in his crate anyway.
Then I realized..I can't baby him or else he won't be okay on his own and will be weak and i'll never get anything done for myself.
For the first 3 weeks I was on a strict consistent routine and i was home all day w/ him to teach him to pee outside
take him out, if he pees, treat, then bring in and play for 20 minutes.
Then put him in the crate. Then an hour or 2 later, take him outside, let him pee..if he doesn't put him back in the crate for 15 minutes, then try again..
when he does go praise and treat, he gets more playtime and then back inthe crate again..he had to learn to like the crate and know it was his safe place.
this is crate training 101.
I did not want to use training pads...or newspaper..actually he tore up one pad. If he went in the house I'd yell no, and then grab him and place him outside. I did not want him to know that going indoors was okay.
I went out for an hour and left him in the kitchen for an hour yesterday...i think he is even more lonely being left in the kitchen after staring at the door he sniffed around and he wound up going in his crate anyway.
IndyTulip
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a puppy peeing on your kitchen floor because you left him there alone
is no accident. he did it on purpose because no one is around and he doesn't have to lie in it.
I think THAT is irresponsible.
It is good practice holding his urine
.An accident is when you are there and you missed his cues or he can't get to the door to wait by it.
is no accident. he did it on purpose because no one is around and he doesn't have to lie in it.
I think THAT is irresponsible.
It is good practice holding his urine
.An accident is when you are there and you missed his cues or he can't get to the door to wait by it.
Yorkysue
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a puppy peeing on your kitchen floor because you left him there alone
is no accident. he did it on purpose because no one is around and he doesn't have to lie in it.
I think THAT is irresponsible.
For God's sake, a dog doesn't do things 'on purpose' - that's human think! Yorkysue
It is good practice holding his urine
I agree - it is good practice for a dog to have self control, but he will naturally get that as he grows older.
Can you go for 8hrs at a time during the day without a pee? (I can't - I would definitely have 'an accident! (whoops))
But the thing that really worries me is how lonely your puppy is. If all you're worried about is your dog peeing - then you shouldn't have got him. Yorkysue
.An accident is when you are there and you missed his cues or he can't get to the door to wait by it.
An accident is an accident. Full stop. Yorkysue.
God help you, but especially that poor cavalier puppy. That is one of the most idiotic comments I have ever read by a (presumably) sentient adult. It's a *puppy*. A *baby*. I sure hope you do not have children.
Sadly some people never progress beyond thinking like a selfish child and assume that just because they want something, they are entitled to have it. That's fine if it's a handbag or a pair of shoes but (unfortunately for that creature) you now own a living, breathing, sensitive animal yet seem not to have put two nanoseconds of research into caring dog ownership.
I sure hope you take the time to educate yourself, and learn someday to have some compassion and insight.
If you want to try, I recommend downloading this free Ian Dunbar classic:
http://www.dogstardaily.com/after-you-get-your-puppy-0
I'd love to see you hold your urine for 8 hours. Go on! It's good practice!
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