Great post, Margaret. That is exactly how I feel.
I'll echo that.
Great post, Margaret. That is exactly how I feel.
Which reminds me, I saw someone on CC yesterday browsing.Username: Jemima.icon_nwunsureOf course she might be mistaken for someone else but if she spots anything fluorescent under the unpleasant light.....icon_whistlingI really do think that some Cavalier Breeders are now showing themselves up in an Unpleasant Light...or is it in their True Colours.
Tara, if you are suggesting that only those who breed dogs "would understand" other dog breeders and their challenges, and therefore others should not critique, that really is a bunch of rubbish.
Critique-- you call this critiquing? Based on hearsay people, who don't know the whole story are judge, jury and executioners. I don't know all the facts, so I will refrain from judgement. IF there was an issue, I will let those in the 'know' deal with it.
Would you then suggest that only teachers should be allowed to critique other teachers . . . leaving the children's parents not allowed to have opinion on what goes on in the classroom?
No, but I would never expect an uneducated or under educated parent dictate how, when and why my child should learn something in the classroom.
Because a person is NOT a breeder, does not leave that person void of knowledge of the difficult tasks involved and the challenging decisions that breeders have to make.
You would be surprised at how much the average person DOESN'T know about dog breeding.
As to suggesting that some of those concerned could get involved and lead by example, it is a wonderful idea. I hope some are inspired,(me too) but not everybody has the wherewithal or even time left in their life, to become a breeder. That should not preclude them from being able to formulate opinions on what is obviously right and wrong.
Tara and I come from the States, we (especially she) understands the rights of people to have opinions and even express them. She deserves the right to have HER opinion expressed.
Of course, it would be much better for cavaliers being produced, currently, if more of those involved already would lead by example! (and I know some are . . . hat's off to you.)
I've gone back to re-read and re-read this thread, because I am astonished the merits of breeding a bitch three seasons in a row, with the first two whelps ending in c-secitons, can be argued at all.
It must be a cultural thing-- here in the states we have numerous experts in reproduction. We have accepted that intervention is often safer than not. Csections vs hours and hours of labor and a higher death toll.
That is not the same as arguing about mating two seasons in a row. I cannot believe there would be a REPRO specialist in any country that would suggest three back to back breedings, when the first two required c-sections, would be healthy for the bitch!!
Which reminds me, I saw someone on CC yesterday browsing.Username: Jemima.icon_nwunsureOf course she might be mistaken for someone else but if she spots anything fluorescent under the unpleasant light.....icon_whistling
Tara,
This really isn't a good time for amateurs to start breeding cavaliers,there's a strong possibility that it could make things very much worse.
It's a hard enough task just to find a pet puppy and join the queue,let alone find a breeding bitch over 2.5 years of age,SM screened and heart clear with parents over age five,heart clear etc....
and if you can find one,good luck with getting the owner to part with her.
It'd be easier to import a Sasquatch from Alaska.
As for the allegation about the bitch with the three of c sections,two of them back to back?
Leaving all protocols aside,all personalities out of the issue....
The pertinent question is:
If this actually occurred....Was this fair to the bitch?
Yes or No
Sins
True, how do any of us ever get any work doneicon_blshing?Arghhh, I shouldn't read this before work....
Also very true.I agree that 3 c-sections in a row is harsh. But I don't know the circumstances.
Politicians don't just make decisions up off the top of their heads, facts, evidence, opinions of experts in that particular field go into making judgements.
Is there actually a law against breeding back to back 3 times in the UK? or does it just go against CKCS and KC guidelines? has this back to back x 3 now been proven? (I don't read the other forum any more, I don't have valium on tap!)
My personal opinion is I don't like it one bit. Given the choice I would imagine the bitch in question felt the same!!
True, how do any of us ever get any work doneicon_blshing?
I'm at home after my day serving the multinational pharmaceutical industry
Also very true.
Sins
I am glad that this subject is now being discussed,I just don't think it can be acceptible for any Cavalier Breeder to put their Cavalier through Back to Back Matings.
I am glad that there are a number of Cavalier Pet Owners with the same thoughts as I have.
I don't think a clause needs to be being interpreted by a Cavalier Breeder as to whether this is what should be happening to a Cavalier Breeding Bitch or not,surely commonsense and a little bit of Compassion would'nt go amiss.
Which reminds me, I saw someone on CC yesterday browsing.Username: Jemima.icon_nwunsureOf course she might be mistaken for someone else but if she spots anything fluorescent under the unpleasant light.....icon_whistling
Tara,
This really isn't a good time for amateurs to start breeding cavaliers,there's a strong possibility that it could make things very much worse.
It's a hard enough task just to find a pet puppy and join the queue,let alone find a breeding bitch over 2.5 years of age,SM screened and heart clear with parents over age five,heart clear etc....
and if you can find one,good luck with getting the owner to part with her.
It'd be easier to import a Sasquatch from Alaska.
As for the allegation about the bitch with the three of c sections,two of them back to back?
Leaving all protocols aside,all personalities out of the issue....
The pertinent question is:
If this actually occurred....Was this fair to the bitch?
Yes or No
Sins
That's the part of the question I was replying to.Here's a thought -- have any of you who criticize breeders so strongly considered breeding yourselves?][/